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	<title>Comments on: Have We Really Thought Through These Propositions?</title>
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		<title>By: nissa-amas-katoj</title>
		<link>http://jackiecastle.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/have-we-really-thought-through-these-propositions/#comment-24</link>
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		<description>A very interesting blog post. I&#039;m a Gay person and a Catholic. The reason I don&#039;t approve of the Gay marriage movement is that by saying that gay marriage is a right, I&#039;m afraid that it takes away the rights of Christians to believe what they have always believed about marriage and sexual morality without being classed as guilty of hate crimes.

But the attitude some Christians take is distressing because they have so many false ideas about what the &#039;homosexual&#039; is like--- as if we were all the same. I myself follow the teachings of my Church and live a life of chastity, and yet some Christians feel the need to lecture me about my alleged sins and alleged lifestyle just because I admit to having a Gay orientation. 

Another thing that bothers me is the idea that no &#039;Gay&#039; person ever be allowed to adopt a child. Honestly, I don&#039;t think my radically Christian chaste lifestyle would have harmed a child had I been permitted to adopt, and if I were more of a party girl I could have produced a child the old-fashioned way.

Anyway, I thank you so much for your brave blog post, I think it was just what I needed to read at this time.

Love in Christ,
Nissa Annakindt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting blog post. I&#8217;m a Gay person and a Catholic. The reason I don&#8217;t approve of the Gay marriage movement is that by saying that gay marriage is a right, I&#8217;m afraid that it takes away the rights of Christians to believe what they have always believed about marriage and sexual morality without being classed as guilty of hate crimes.</p>
<p>But the attitude some Christians take is distressing because they have so many false ideas about what the &#8216;homosexual&#8217; is like&#8212; as if we were all the same. I myself follow the teachings of my Church and live a life of chastity, and yet some Christians feel the need to lecture me about my alleged sins and alleged lifestyle just because I admit to having a Gay orientation. </p>
<p>Another thing that bothers me is the idea that no &#8216;Gay&#8217; person ever be allowed to adopt a child. Honestly, I don&#8217;t think my radically Christian chaste lifestyle would have harmed a child had I been permitted to adopt, and if I were more of a party girl I could have produced a child the old-fashioned way.</p>
<p>Anyway, I thank you so much for your brave blog post, I think it was just what I needed to read at this time.</p>
<p>Love in Christ,<br />
Nissa Annakindt</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia PacJac Carroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia PacJac Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jackie, 
Sorry you feel that way. 
The only thing we do have is the scripture. And that is what I will stand on. If we don&#039;t beleive the BIble then we will be open to anything. And that is what I see happening. If you think it is judging then so be it. Not my problem. Take it up with God.

If we’d all live up to our full potential it would be a wonderful place. -- NOT going to happen this side of heaven. The BIble says there is not one good. no one. We can not be good enough. Our rightesousness is as filthy rags. Only through Jesus are we made righteous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jackie,<br />
Sorry you feel that way.<br />
The only thing we do have is the scripture. And that is what I will stand on. If we don&#8217;t beleive the BIble then we will be open to anything. And that is what I see happening. If you think it is judging then so be it. Not my problem. Take it up with God.</p>
<p>If we’d all live up to our full potential it would be a wonderful place. &#8212; NOT going to happen this side of heaven. The BIble says there is not one good. no one. We can not be good enough. Our rightesousness is as filthy rags. Only through Jesus are we made righteous.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patti, I stick with my stance that it is this very attitude that is keeping people from the church. We are told not to judge even more than we are told anything else. 
Jesus himself told us not to judge or we&#039;ll be judged with the same measure. Matt 7:1&amp;2.
Some of your points are hate-filled blanket statements and have no truthful backing to them. Some I&#039;m saddened to hear you say. 

I will not get into a scripture debate with you or anyone else on this. The fact remains that we are called to walk in love and I don&#039;t see that happening right now.

As to your Romans reference, I would like to point you to Romans 14:13
&quot;Let us not therefore judge one another anymore; but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother.&quot;

God&#039;s love is unconditional and all encompassing. I feel we are focusing our energies in the wrong places when we point our fingers and say how bad this world is. It&#039;s not bad. If we&#039;d all live up to our full potential it would be a wonderful place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patti, I stick with my stance that it is this very attitude that is keeping people from the church. We are told not to judge even more than we are told anything else.<br />
Jesus himself told us not to judge or we&#8217;ll be judged with the same measure. Matt 7:1&amp;2.<br />
Some of your points are hate-filled blanket statements and have no truthful backing to them. Some I&#8217;m saddened to hear you say. </p>
<p>I will not get into a scripture debate with you or anyone else on this. The fact remains that we are called to walk in love and I don&#8217;t see that happening right now.</p>
<p>As to your Romans reference, I would like to point you to Romans 14:13<br />
&#8220;Let us not therefore judge one another anymore; but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother.&#8221;</p>
<p>God&#8217;s love is unconditional and all encompassing. I feel we are focusing our energies in the wrong places when we point our fingers and say how bad this world is. It&#8217;s not bad. If we&#8217;d all live up to our full potential it would be a wonderful place.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia PacJac Carroll</title>
		<link>http://jackiecastle.wordpress.com/2008/11/12/have-we-really-thought-through-these-propositions/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia PacJac Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI Jackie,
I hesitated to comment. Even smacking my forehead and asking –Why did I even look!  But I did. : )  And of course cannot keep quiet.

First, I praise the Lord that we are good friends. What is the verse in the BIble - as iron sharpens iron - guess we&#039;ll do some filing. To say I don&#039;t agree with you would be a thunderstatement - [Spelled that way on purpose : ) not my usual dislexic fingers]

1. Marriage is called Holy matrimony - defined by God as the union of a man and a woman. Hard to be fruitful and multiply if you&#039;re two guys!

2. There is no law against financial unions. Power of attorneys, homosexual partners being listed as beneficiaries to insurance policies. or wearing rings on your fingers. So what is the real beef?

3. Homosexuals want the approval of society. As our world slides into an immoral pit, society may well concede. But as a Christian who believes the BIble I cannot nor will I. That is not to say I hate homosexuals,. But I do hate what is happening to this country. 

4. Accepting homosexuality as &#039;normal&#039; paves the way for sex with children and animals. Hard core romance novels are already writing about it. Sin is never content to stay at one level. Years ago our society decided that instead of fornication and adultery, it was now to be called affairs and relationships. The slide will continue unless Christians stand up for righteousness.

5. As for the little children caught up in the fray - as far as I know no one is going to barge into a home and declare that this is not a family. Deal with the real issue - is homosexuality a sin or not. If you don&#039;t think it is then what do you give 2 cents what other people think anyway. And why try and justify it by calling your cohabitation  a marriage?

6. Jesus ate with sinners - but I bet when they left him they were changed and took to heart the admonishment to &#039;go and sin no more&#039;

7. Jesus did not come to bring peace into the world, rather a sword. Matt 10:34

8. Is it love to let others wander merrily into hell? To not at least let them know there will be a price if they lead others astray?

9. There are haters on both sides - but why listen to the extremes? Check out what the Word of God says. I think the book of Romans spells it out fairly clearly.

10. I don&#039;t hate homosexuals - but will not condone their lifestyle. It is not good for them, their children, or this country.

Love ya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI Jackie,<br />
I hesitated to comment. Even smacking my forehead and asking –Why did I even look!  But I did. : )  And of course cannot keep quiet.</p>
<p>First, I praise the Lord that we are good friends. What is the verse in the BIble &#8211; as iron sharpens iron &#8211; guess we&#8217;ll do some filing. To say I don&#8217;t agree with you would be a thunderstatement &#8211; [Spelled that way on purpose : ) not my usual dislexic fingers]</p>
<p>1. Marriage is called Holy matrimony &#8211; defined by God as the union of a man and a woman. Hard to be fruitful and multiply if you&#8217;re two guys!</p>
<p>2. There is no law against financial unions. Power of attorneys, homosexual partners being listed as beneficiaries to insurance policies. or wearing rings on your fingers. So what is the real beef?</p>
<p>3. Homosexuals want the approval of society. As our world slides into an immoral pit, society may well concede. But as a Christian who believes the BIble I cannot nor will I. That is not to say I hate homosexuals,. But I do hate what is happening to this country. </p>
<p>4. Accepting homosexuality as &#8216;normal&#8217; paves the way for sex with children and animals. Hard core romance novels are already writing about it. Sin is never content to stay at one level. Years ago our society decided that instead of fornication and adultery, it was now to be called affairs and relationships. The slide will continue unless Christians stand up for righteousness.</p>
<p>5. As for the little children caught up in the fray &#8211; as far as I know no one is going to barge into a home and declare that this is not a family. Deal with the real issue &#8211; is homosexuality a sin or not. If you don&#8217;t think it is then what do you give 2 cents what other people think anyway. And why try and justify it by calling your cohabitation  a marriage?</p>
<p>6. Jesus ate with sinners &#8211; but I bet when they left him they were changed and took to heart the admonishment to &#8216;go and sin no more&#8217;</p>
<p>7. Jesus did not come to bring peace into the world, rather a sword. Matt 10:34</p>
<p>8. Is it love to let others wander merrily into hell? To not at least let them know there will be a price if they lead others astray?</p>
<p>9. There are haters on both sides &#8211; but why listen to the extremes? Check out what the Word of God says. I think the book of Romans spells it out fairly clearly.</p>
<p>10. I don&#8217;t hate homosexuals &#8211; but will not condone their lifestyle. It is not good for them, their children, or this country.</p>
<p>Love ya</p>
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